[sharp-discuss] very low B-factors

Clemens Vonrhein vonrhein@globalphasing.com
Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:27:02 +0100


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Dear Greg,

in my experience, B factors can go a bit funny at lowish resolution -
_if_ you also refine scaling B factors etc.=20

So could you please send us your whole SIN file? And have a look at
the values and the refinement behaviour of

  SCAL_B
  SCAL_B6_ADD
  NISO_BGLO
  NANO_BGLO

If SCAL_B parameters are going rather high (say > 5) I would probably
set them to zero and not refine/estimate them at all. Same for the
*_BGLO parameters.

And after your refinement (with or without fixed SCAL_B): what do the
residual maps look like? I know, it is nice if the values for
occupancy and B for sites come out at chemical meaningful
values. However, at this stage you are interested in getting a heavy
atom model that explains the differences (anomalous and dispersive)
well. So what I would do is

  1. Have a look at the ANO residual maps for each wavelength will
     tell you if the f'' values are correct. Since you use the same
     HAT_OCC/HAT_B for both wavelengths (which makes sense) a wrong
     f'' value at one wavelength can mess things up.

  2. In the various residual maps, you would also see additional sites
     (assuming that one of the 17 sites the one might be wrong).

  3. Met sidechains quite often are disordered: any sign for that in
     the residual maps? Also, N-terminal Met are often not visible.

  4. Use autoSHARP (with the set of known sites) to run the whole
     thing through to density modification. The difference in CC
     between original and inverted hand will tell you if the HA model
     is good. It will also give a whole lot of information (notes and
     warnings - have a look at the warning messages!).

  5. Why do you have a 2-wavelength MAD experiment? If this is because
     your crystal slowly died (and you couldn't collect the third
     wavelength) then I would tend to first do a SAD with the first
     wavelength - and create a HA model that cleans up the residual
     maps. Then add the second wavelength and see if it actually
     helps.

  6. Once you have done some density modification (and the CC between
     the two hands is significantly different to be sure you have the
     right hand) you can do 'ordinary' difference Fourier maps to get
     a list of sites.

Hope that helps - let us know about any solution!

Cheers

Clemens

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:42:35PM -0700, Gregory D. Bowman wrote:
> Hello -
>=20
> I am working with a 2-wavelength MAD dataset to about 3.2A resolution. Fr=
om a=20
> related crystal, I know the 17 Se sites pretty confidently, and these sit=
es=20
> seem to refine OK in SOLVE for the dataset I am having trouble with (so I=
 am=20
> pretty sure the sites are all real). With SHARP, the B-factor of one site=
=20
> refines to 1.0. If I do not refine occupancies, the B-factor still dips p=
retty=20
> low in the first cycle (B=3D2.5) but manages to recover somewhat by the f=
inal=20
> cycle (B=3D56.7), though it is still relatively low for this resolution. =
Is it=20
> the case that I simply do not have enough information to refine these=20
> parameters at this resolution? Some of the logfile is below.
>=20
> Thanks for any advice.
>=20
> Greg
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> NOTE - site 6 is the offender. I apologise if the formatting does not car=
ry=20
> though in the email.
> -------------------------------------------------------
> refining both B and occupancies:
> --------------------------------
> First cycle of refining B/occupancies: Everything seems OK
>=20
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-001 HAT_OCC             1.1969    0.5500    1.7469
>                  HAT_B             149.2960   -1.6175  147.6785
>  001__G-SITE-002 HAT_OCC             1.5708    0.7393    2.3100
>                  HAT_B             155.8439   -1.5838  154.2601
>  001__G-SITE-003 HAT_OCC             1.5014    0.6834    2.1847
>                  HAT_B             186.3591   -1.2411  185.1180
>  001__G-SITE-004 HAT_OCC             1.4379    0.6495    2.0874
>                  HAT_B             199.2562   -1.3835  197.8728
>  001__G-SITE-005 HAT_OCC             1.8110    0.8303    2.6413
>                  HAT_B             213.9898   -0.5395  213.4502
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-006 HAT_OCC             1.6478    0.7564    2.4041
>                  HAT_B             155.2214   -1.8708  153.3506
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-007 HAT_OCC             1.1981    0.5572    1.7553
>                  HAT_B             174.7769   -1.0286  173.7482
>  001__G-SITE-008 HAT_OCC             1.3638    0.6294    1.9932
>                  HAT_B             185.8664   -0.9468  184.9196
>  001__G-SITE-009 HAT_OCC             1.6190    0.7405    2.3595
>                  HAT_B             193.9789   -1.0006  192.9783
>  001__G-SITE-010 HAT_OCC             1.4603    0.6834    2.1437
>                  HAT_B             200.6610   -0.5527  200.1083
>  001__G-SITE-011 HAT_OCC             1.4920    0.6880    2.1800
>                  HAT_B             168.2568   -1.9167  166.3402
>  001__G-SITE-012 HAT_OCC             1.4472    0.7089    2.1562
>                  HAT_B             225.7435   -0.9393  224.8042
>  001__G-SITE-013 HAT_OCC             0.9212    0.4453    1.3665
>                  HAT_B             163.8727   -0.9562  162.9165
>  001__G-SITE-014 HAT_OCC             1.1805    0.4887    1.6692
>                  HAT_B             264.7068   -0.5238  264.1831
>  001__G-SITE-015 HAT_OCC             1.3148    0.5880    1.9028
>                  HAT_B             250.8974   -1.0426  249.8548
>  001__G-SITE-016 HAT_OCC             1.4841    0.6934    2.1775
>                  HAT_B             300.0000    0.0000  300.0000 ->]
>  001__G-SITE-017 HAT_OCC             0.6966    0.3615    1.0581
>                  HAT_B             300.0000    0.0000  300.0000 ->]
> --------------------------------
> The very next small cycle: B-factor of SITE 6 drops by about 75
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-001 HAT_OCC             1.7469    0.0017    1.7486
>                  HAT_B             147.6785  -42.3724  105.3061
>  001__G-SITE-002 HAT_OCC             2.3100   -0.0154    2.2946
>                  HAT_B             154.2601  -31.3099  122.9502
>  001__G-SITE-003 HAT_OCC             2.1847   -0.0207    2.1640
>                  HAT_B             185.1180    8.1799  193.2979
>  001__G-SITE-004 HAT_OCC             2.0874   -0.0284    2.0590
>                  HAT_B             197.8728   19.6576  217.5304
>  001__G-SITE-005 HAT_OCC             2.6413    0.0608    2.7021
>                  HAT_B             213.4502   14.4088  227.8590
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-006 HAT_OCC             2.4041    0.0002    2.4044
>                  HAT_B             153.3506  -75.3947   77.9559
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-007 HAT_OCC             1.7553   -0.0193    1.7360
>                  HAT_B             173.7482    6.3321  180.0803
>  001__G-SITE-008 HAT_OCC             1.9932    0.0283    2.0215
>                  HAT_B             184.9196   18.8103  203.7298
>  001__G-SITE-009 HAT_OCC             2.3595    0.0342    2.3937
>                  HAT_B             192.9783   15.1212  208.0994
>  001__G-SITE-010 HAT_OCC             2.1437   -0.0026    2.1411
>                  HAT_B             200.1083   11.6774  211.7856
>  001__G-SITE-011 HAT_OCC             2.1800   -0.0634    2.1166
>                  HAT_B             166.3402  -56.0831  110.2571
>  001__G-SITE-012 HAT_OCC             2.1562    0.0179    2.1741
>                  HAT_B             224.8042   38.3077  263.1119
>  001__G-SITE-013 HAT_OCC             1.3665   -0.0235    1.3430
>                  HAT_B             162.9165   22.0442  184.9607
>  001__G-SITE-014 HAT_OCC             1.6692    0.0306    1.6998
>                  HAT_B             264.1831    9.4390  273.6221
>  001__G-SITE-015 HAT_OCC             1.9028    0.0364    1.9392
>                  HAT_B             249.8548   -4.5829  245.2718
>  001__G-SITE-016 HAT_OCC             2.1775   -0.0052    2.1722
>                  HAT_B             300.0000    0.0000  300.0000 <-]
>  001__G-SITE-017 HAT_OCC             1.0581    0.0441    1.1022
>                  HAT_B             300.0000    0.0000  300.0000 <-]
> -------------------------------------
> A few cycles later: B-factor of SITE 6 is now 1.0, and stays that way
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-001 HAT_OCC             0.9540    0.0608    1.0148
>                  HAT_B             100.8967    2.4084  103.3051
>  001__G-SITE-002 HAT_OCC             1.3670    0.0974    1.4644
>                  HAT_B             124.2807   -6.2762  118.0045
>  001__G-SITE-003 HAT_OCC             1.4122    0.0847    1.4969
>                  HAT_B             165.5046  -13.7893  151.7153
>  001__G-SITE-004 HAT_OCC             1.3042    0.1374    1.4417
>                  HAT_B             159.0778   14.0159  173.0936
>  001__G-SITE-005 HAT_OCC             1.8778    0.2253    2.1031
>                  HAT_B             227.7046   -4.6517  223.0529
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-006 HAT_OCC             1.0219   -0.2701    0.7518
>                  HAT_B              41.3661  -40.3661    1.0000 [<-
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-007 HAT_OCC             1.0922    0.0566    1.1488
>                  HAT_B             150.3008  -15.5740  134.7268
>  001__G-SITE-008 HAT_OCC             1.4094    0.1122    1.5216
>                  HAT_B             201.8194  -18.7466  183.0728
>  001__G-SITE-009 HAT_OCC             1.6166    0.2004    1.8171
>                  HAT_B             201.2297   -4.5830  196.6467
>  001__G-SITE-010 HAT_OCC             1.4988    0.1621    1.6608
>                  HAT_B             215.9288  -10.5880  205.3408
>  001__G-SITE-011 HAT_OCC             1.1856    0.0182    1.2038
>                  HAT_B             103.9965    5.4042  109.4008
>  001__G-SITE-012 HAT_OCC             0.8806    0.0912    0.9717
>                  HAT_B              55.0457   88.9120  143.9577
>  001__G-SITE-013 HAT_OCC             0.9247    0.1006    1.0253
>                  HAT_B             155.5759    6.6344  162.2103
>  001__G-SITE-014 HAT_OCC             1.1636    0.2149    1.3785
>                  HAT_B             287.3449   11.9467  299.2916
>  001__G-SITE-015 HAT_OCC             1.2764    0.0898    1.3662
>                  HAT_B             238.9843  -36.9708  202.0135
>  001__G-SITE-016 HAT_OCC             1.3258    0.1084    1.4342
>                  HAT_B             294.1810  -26.6462  267.5348
>  001__G-SITE-017 HAT_OCC             0.7161    0.1652    0.8813
>                  HAT_B             300.0000    0.0000  300.0000 <-]
>  001_001_001_001 NANO_BGLO           0.0000    0.0000    0.0000 [<-
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> not refining occupancies(occup=3D1.0)
> --------------------------------------------------------
> first cycle of B-factor refinement: B-factor of SITE 6 drops by 152
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-001 HAT_B             149.2960  -79.1425   70.1535
>  001__G-SITE-002 HAT_B             155.8439  -46.2592  109.5847
>  001__G-SITE-003 HAT_B             186.3591  -12.7966  173.5625
>  001__G-SITE-004 HAT_B             199.2562  -34.9708  164.2854
>  001__G-SITE-005 HAT_B             213.9898  -22.3762  191.6136
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-006 HAT_B             155.2214 -152.6520    2.5694
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-007 HAT_B             174.7769  -11.0692  163.7076
>  001__G-SITE-008 HAT_B             185.8664  -52.2808  133.5855
>  001__G-SITE-009 HAT_B             193.9789  -32.2719  161.7070
>  001__G-SITE-010 HAT_B             200.6610  -16.0723  184.5886
>  001__G-SITE-011 HAT_B             168.2568  -60.1715  108.0853
>  001__G-SITE-012 HAT_B             225.7435 -138.1051   87.6384
>  001__G-SITE-013 HAT_B             163.8727  -15.9228  147.9499
>  001__G-SITE-014 HAT_B             264.7068    1.3815  266.0884
>  001__G-SITE-015 HAT_B             250.8974  -25.9098  224.9876
>  001__G-SITE-016 HAT_B             300.0000   -6.1918  293.8082
>  001__G-SITE-017 HAT_B             300.0000    0.0000  300.0000 <-]
>=20
> ------------
>=20
> fourth cycle ("convergence")
>  001__G-SITE-001 HAT_B              92.8436    1.0171   93.8607    9.9228
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-002 HAT_B             119.0792   -0.3648  118.7144    8.7481
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-003 HAT_B             161.8942    5.2916  167.1858   11.5122
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-004 HAT_B             150.6342    3.9114  154.5456   11.5175
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-005 HAT_B             162.5293    4.9221  167.4514   10.9640
>=20
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-006 HAT_B              28.2706   12.8946   41.1652    2.8821
>=20
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-007 HAT_B             151.2232    4.0154  155.2387   13.1730
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-008 HAT_B             154.2849    3.8372  158.1221   11.7087
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-009 HAT_B             150.7050    2.1013  152.8063   11.0317
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-010 HAT_B             162.1460    6.4316  168.5776   12.3290
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-011 HAT_B             128.7785    3.6294  132.4079    8.5903
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-012 HAT_B             140.2975   21.5858  161.8834   10.1248
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-013 HAT_B             126.4959   -1.4780  125.0180   15.4597
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-014 HAT_B             223.7989   13.2720  237.0708   23.3402
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-015 HAT_B             154.6024   20.9541  175.5565   13.3123
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-016 HAT_B             236.7864   20.8837  257.6702   20.7670
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-017 HAT_B             300.0000    0.0000  300.0000    0.0000=
 ->]
>=20
> -------------
> last cycle (2 more small cycles)
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-001 HAT_B              87.9400   -5.2957   82.6443   12.1455
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-002 HAT_B             116.5185   -2.0488  114.4697    9.1728
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-003 HAT_B             167.9062   -0.4840  167.4222   11.8020
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-004 HAT_B             154.3282   -1.0146  153.3136   12.0092
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-005 HAT_B             168.5729   -0.4999  168.0730   11.3471
>=20
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-006 HAT_B              50.8219    5.8795   56.7014    5.8259
>=20
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-007 HAT_B             156.5339   -0.1544  156.3795   13.5625
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-008 HAT_B             158.7488   -0.4433  158.3056   12.1579
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-009 HAT_B             151.7882   -1.0714  150.7168   11.1549
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-010 HAT_B             169.1792   -0.2711  168.9081   12.8765
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-011 HAT_B             131.4322   -1.5125  129.9198    9.1421
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-012 HAT_B             167.3042   -0.7311  166.5730   13.2964
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-013 HAT_B             124.8798   -0.7616  124.1182   15.5111
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-014 HAT_B             238.3301   -0.2120  238.1182   25.2273
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-015 HAT_B             182.6898    1.4207  184.1104   16.7740
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-016 HAT_B             262.7511   -0.2747  262.4764   24.3344
>=20
>  001__G-SITE-017 HAT_B             300.0000    0.0000  300.0000    0.0000=
 ->]
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
>=20
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